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Join us for a joyful sit down between two friends.
John Chambers, “Mr. Constitution” takes us on a journey from his early years studying the Constitution to his life long work of helping people to understand it, no matter which side of the political aisle you happen to be on.
In addition to that we touch on a range of topics as listed in the bullets below.
Most notably his work with his wife Debbie Musack helping to education and help others have better awareness and decision making about nutrition.
Be sure to check out the links below for more on their health products, nutritional education video you won’t want to miss and John’s site about the Constitution.
Contact John and Debbie today – https://www.grantspasschamber.org/list/member/neolife-nutrition-musack-chambers-13248
Video (5 Key Criteria for Evaluating Any Supplement) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYC8psM3sM
Mr. Constitution – https://www.itsyourconstitution.com/about-Mr-Constitution.html
1:49 A Life Time Commitment: From Studying at The Smithsonian to Teaching the Constitution
9:18 Why I joined Toastmasters & Would Recommend It to Anyone
9:57 Constitution Study Group Locally & Nationally Online
11:07 Independence vs Dependence – Why I Believe in Being a Freedom Fighter
14:18 Working With Both Democrats and Republicans to Help Further Education About the Constitution
16:05 Governance is What Units Us, Politics is What Divides Us
18:47 What Brought Me to Josephine County
22:50 Grants Pass: A Community of Caring People
24:40 The Type of People I’d Love to Meet
29:21 Impact COVID-19 Had On My Life
31:29 Nutrition: Zoom Calls and Helping People Build-Up Their Immunity
34:21 Look Into the Future
Transcription
Brian: Welcome to Grants Pass VIP, I’m Brian Pombo.
What you’re about to listen to is a conversation that I had with John Chambers and it’s recorded a little bit differently. We were sitting at his dining room table, and we start kind of right in the middle of our conversation together.
I was asking John what he did, and as we start the podcast you’ll hear John describing what he does. And so what you’re going to hear is him break that down into pieces of all the different things that he does and what those things all have in common.
This is a very interesting conversation. I hope you enjoy
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John: All of the things that I do, they all have a theme to them and I had not recognized until recently.
There is the nutrition aspect of it. Because if a person that has proper nutrition, then they are not dependent upon the rest of when I say the rest of the world, I mean, like that medical and the government and this sort of thing to take care of them because they can take care of themselves because they have decent nutrition, they’re independent of it.
Also, I do drug prevention here and there, not a whole lot but I’m certified as that. And I keep up my certification so that I can do that.
Then also, I have been teaching a constitution that started in 1991, a private high school that was near me. The headmaster of that private school wanted me to come and write a history text for him with no political bias, because the history texts around, they had a lot of public life.
So I came and I was at the school and I was doing research there and talking to the parents, talking to the kids, talking to the teachers, talking to the administrators, all that and also studying and putting things together and so on.
And after about three weeks I went to him (the headmaster) and his name was John also. I go John, I don’t think it’s possible to write history without a political bias. Because it doesn’t matter, I mean, I have my preferences and they’re going to show up just by the fact that I don’t include certain things and I put emphasis on certain other things, and so on, my biases are going to show up, I kind of can’t help it, so it’s not possible to do that.
So we talked about what would be a really good thing would be perhaps a little booklet before a person starts studying history, on how to pick up the bias in the history that you read into kind of inoculate you or to immunize you from the bias, so you can look at you can see what the bias is.
Maybe you like the bias and you buy into it, but at least you’ll see it that’s what the biases anyway, a booklet called Why History?
And it talks about what history is good for what it’s useful for, why you want to do it, what to look for, for biases. And when I moved up here to Oregon, I turned it into a little book, which you can get it on Amazon. It’s called something like learning from history, how to make a better future little teeny booklet, and a kid can read it.
And at the end of that, it doesn’t matter what history book they read, because there’ll be watching for what the biases.
Oh, and while I was there at the school, some of the kids came up, said, do you know anything about the Constitution?
Which I did. And the reason that I did was because when I was 13, my pop sat me down, he said, You’re not going to waste this summer. And he sat me down with one of those little composition books with a black and white squiggly cover.
On the left-hand side of the page, I wrote out the Constitution in its original language. Then on the facing page, I would translate it into the best I could have 13-year-old modern English.
So this was an assignment that your dad set you down if I was to do this over the summer, and I’ve told some people that and their kids hate them now because they’re doing it.
So I actually surprised myself. I actually stuck to it. I went through the whole thing and I remember a few places where I…it was with a fountain pen too. I remember I threw the pen, I was so frustrated and I get splashed all over, you know, anyway.
And I’ve looked for that little booklet and it’s gone. I haven’t seen it for years decades. I kind of surprised myself and surprised him that I actually finished that assignment.
And at the end of the summer, he was like, flabbergasted and goes, What would you like as a reward for having done this thing?
He thought maybe I’d get a new bike or something like that, you know, I said, I want to week the Smithsonian. And he arranged it.
Brian: Wow.
John: I would get dropped off at the front of the Smithsonian at like, nine o’clock in the morning or whatever when it was open. This was many years ago when DC was not what it is now.
Brian: Yeah.
John: And I would go into the Smithsonian and I would have my little lunch with me and I would go through all the exhibits. I go through the different buildings and all this and at five o’clock, I’d be out there at the curb. I get picked up.
I did that for a week. I was just great fun.
But at any rate, some of the kids asked me, Do you know anything about the constitution?
So I said, Yeah, I guess I know.
And so I figured the best way to do is kind of the way that I did it, which was you just read through it, which is basically what I had done, as I read through it and translated it into English as best I understood.
The problem is that, at 13 years old, I didn’t have enough life experience to know what these things mean. I could look at and I go, Okay, I understand what that is, but I don’t know what the importance of that is.
I knew that these kids are going to need a study guide.
So I looked around for study guys, and all the study guides, guess what had a bias. And some of them were, you know, slanted towards religious this. Some of them were slanted towards something else.
The weirdest one was interpreting the Constitution, according to Freudian analysis.
Brian: Oh, wow.
John: That was really fascinating.
So I read all of these things and I’m looking at all these things and I’m going, what can I use for these kids?
I said, I couldn’t find anything.
I had to write one myself. I would have the text, I would write some notes about it some ways that this test had been used over the years, but they’d go and look it up and say, This is cases that came up regarding this, and so on.
I had a little bit of a study guide, and we went through it, and I’d see the places where they were having difficulty than other places where they really got it and so on, started becoming a regular thing.
The next batch of kids that came through, would get the revised version. And then the next batch, we get the revised version, until finally, I got a version that could sit down in front of a kid.
That’d be you know, a high school-aged kid course, this was a number of years ago. And high school education is not what it used to be, I don’t think, but anyway, you get to sit down in front of the kid and say, who’s interested, and he could read.
At the end of it, he would read through the entire constitution, understood how it fit together, and what it was about, which some of the teachers and the parents thought was really cool, and so they wanted me to teach them.
So I started a little neighborhood. And then we had a group in that school, and some of the neighborhood people found out about so I ran a course for the neighborhood. Since then, so wherever I moved, wherever I went, I do something with the Constitution.
When I came to Josephine County, just so happened, I used my constitution study guide, kind of is a calling card.
Well, when I first moved up here, we knew a few people, we knew some real estate people and stuff like that. And as soon as we kind of settled in, I started looking around for what’s going on politically, who’s doing what stuff.
And I see that oh, my God, here’s this guy’s video. It’s was 2010. So it was the Tea Party thing or something and he’s the chairman of the Republican Party, and he’s a real estate guy.
So I go to him and I say, I didn’t know that you were, you know, the chairman, this is what I do, here’s my constitution study guide.
He goes, Oh, this is great. He invites me to all the get-togethers and he takes me around by the elbow introduces me to everybody. He says this is the guy that wrote the book about the Constitution.
Then I started running a constitution study group here. And he helped me set that up and so on, and I ran his constitution state review for a number of years.
For a time we were at St. Anne’s school. We were in a classroom in the school. We were in the churches. We were also at the Wild River Pub, so we’ve been in the taverns, we’ve been in the churches.
Brian: Redwood Grange, I remember you doing it there.
John: Absolutely. That’s right.
And we’ve been in Grange and written a number of different places around, and there came a point where I decided to record it.
So I recorded it, it’s up on YouTube, but I’m not real proud of it. Because as you probably have noticed, dear listener, I can stutter and hem and haw quite a bit.
And that does not go over well on a video when you’re trying to explain about the Constitution.
I looked at my videos, and I said, he really knows what he’s talking about but his presentation really sucks.
So I joined Toastmasters, I’m now the president of our local club, and I enjoy doing that.
I recommend it to anyone who wants to do something like that. And it’s a great place to meet people and so on.
Then I did a number of series of constitution study groups, went through the Josephine County Charter with a group of people, including some of the people that were actually on the committee that originally wrote the charter, and so on.
We did a study group of that and it got kind of burned out, stopped that.
And then I wanted to kind of get back to me, but now it was COVID. So I said, Okay, I’ll do it. I’ll do it online. So I’m doing online, and I have a small group of about 10 people that show up all the time.
I’ve got people from Pennsylvania, I got people from Florida. I have people from California. I have people from Oregon. I have people from around the country doing this and some of my writings, I know you’re (Brian) on my mailing list, so you’ve gotten some of my writings, some of my little daily emails that I send out, and stuff.
There’s a pastor out in Kentucky, who posts them on Facebook. And so I get people, you know, buying my books and contacting me from all over the place, I don’t know where they’re coming from.
It is all aimed towards independence, no longer happen to be dependent. And for instance, here’s an interesting little fact, there is the Revolutionary War, which started this country, right.
So I said Revolutionary War, I wonder what the British call it, you know, maybe the war of those Blinken colonies? Or, what is it you know? Now too the British, it’s called the Revolutionary War, because it’s a revolution.
To us, it actually is not the Revolutionary War, it’s the war for Independence.
That’s what our war is, and yet, we’re calling it by the British name.
Why don’t we call it by our own name?
There’s a number of things that have happened to the language where we no longer say what we really mean because it’s a war for independence. And we actually have to continually, you and I have to battle that every day of, Am I going to take this government handout?
Sure is easy money, or am I going to be independent?
Because I know if I become dependent on that, I have to watch out. There’s just so many things. And I’m not against using other people. I don’t want to say using I mean, like for instance, right now, you’re using me for your podcast, but I’m using you to get myself a little better known.
Brian: That’s right.
John: So we’re using each other. So we’ve had a codependency here and there’s nothing wrong with this codependency, the problem is when it’s no longer under your control.
Because right now, you or I, either of us could stand up and say it’s over and they stop.
But when it comes to a point where you have to continue that dependency, then that’s when you get in trouble. And that’s when you get where people worry about an overbearing government, where people get hooked on drugs, where people have bad nutrition so that they end up having to become dependent upon doctors and dialysis machines and things like that.
So a couple of weeks ago, or a month ago or so, I said, I’m a freedom fighter, that’s who I am, that’s what I do.
I don’t have to have a musket to do it. But I am somebody that wants to make sure that you have all the independence you want, in all the ways that you want. And I know a number of ways that a person can become controlled by others and want to see people break free from them.
Everything that you have an interest in everything that gets your gears going, it all has to do with independence, being free from mental and physical slavery, so that they all tied together with that it that spiritual freedom as well.
I’m always delighted when I find somebody that has a similar mindset, because there are enough people around who go on I’d rather be a slave.
Brian: Yeah.
John: Yeah. Okay, and you’re welcome to it. Just don’t take other people with you. You know.
I’m real happy that, for instance, Holly Martin, who may or may not interview at some point was just a dynamite lady is to say she’s taking the Republican party and she’s asked me to do some training for the party in the constitution and stuff. That’s here in Josephine County.
She’s the chairperson of the Republicans here locally. And I would do it for the Democrats too.
Brian: Yeah.
John: If they want to.
Brian: You’re really nonpartisan, for as long as I’ve known you. And unlike a lot of the people I interview, we actually have a history and we’ve known each other for a while.
You’ve walked across the aisle, you’ve brought different people very different thoughts into meetings together. I think that’s really cool. And it also shows that you’re not even dependent on party thought, or anything of that sort.
John: Right and I’ll give you one example of that was when I was in LA, a lady that I ran across, wanted to do in-home seminar kinds of things about the constitution and so on, and she wants to do them with me.
So we did and we did a whole series of them, and she is a member of the Democratic National Committee. So when we were talking about the Constitution, we keep each other in line too, because you know, if I start saying something, and she says, you know, you get in political there, you’re going off and she’d do the same thing going off in the other direction.
Brian: Keep an eye on each other’s biases.
John: Exactly. Keep an eye on each other’s biases. And I like to think that when I do my constitution study group, I just do the constitution straight, or like right now, in our study group that we’re doing online, we’re doing the Federalist Papers.
And we just read what it says. And we go, Oh, that makes sense, aI see why they’re saying that because that’s to solve this problem, that sort of thing.
I’ve got some people in there that want to make sure we read anti-Federalist Papers, too. And we do.
So yeah, I say that when we’re doing the Constitution, we’re not studying politics. We’re studying governance because governance is what unites us, politics is what divides us.
If we can deal with governance, how do we get across the river or just, you know, that we want to get across the river is governance, whether we build a bridge, or build a raft or goes down the river to find another way, that’s all politics, and we can get divided on how we’re going to do that. But we have a uniting principle of getting to the other side of the river.
Brian: Sure. Makes sense.
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Brian: So I’ve heard some of your story before, but what brought you originally to Josephine County?
John: My wife was in Josephine County, she was in Grants Pass when my first wife passed away in the 1990’s. Now I have known Debbie through church connections, because we’re kind of in the same circles and stuff.
I then just sort of in passing kind of for decades, and when my wife passed away, and I was, you know, looking for love in all the wrong places. You know, one of the ladies that worked at the school that I was doing the Constitution, and so on, she related to Debbie.
Somehow they had letters back and forth. And Carlin that surname showed me a letter from Debbie. And the letter from Debbie said, It’s too bad, he has a girlfriend because her husband had just left her.
So I go Oh, yeah, I know, Debbie. I’ve actually secretly admired her for decades, I mean, I was married, she was married, I wasn’t going to do anything.
But after my wife died, I would ask and I happened to see her either in LA or someplace, you know, and I would think and house Bob being her former husband and she said Oh, Bob’s fine.
I’d say, Okay, thank you very much. And I’d walk away because, and she thought I didn’t like her. So anyway, turns out Bob left her. She wrote to Carlin, I said, this is right for me.
I called my girlfriend, I said, it’s over. I mean, I’m sorry and I wrote Debbie a letter. We just started a conversation and we just had a conversation that went in exactly the way it’s supposed to go.
Three months later, so we were married, she was in Grants Pass. And the reason she was in Grants Pass was because her mom had been early on, an alcoholic and really quite in bad shape. And she found Roy Masters, and Roy Masters picked her up. I have an opinion, but we’re not gonna do that. I mean, it picked her up, and it was good for her. So that’s fine.
She moved to Grants Pass back in the 80s. And Debbie, you know, kind of was with her, there was some back and forth all the time.
So she was up here, while she was up here, she has two sons, who were coming to the marrying age and they were down in Williams.
One of them caught the eye of one of the Lathrop twins, which if you’re in Williams, you know who the Lathrop twins are. And I was in LA and Debbie was up here in Grants Pass, and I said, I can’t really move out there because I’ve work out here stuff, and like she’d have moved down here.
So she’s okay, I’m gonna move there. And the Lathrop twins said, The big city, get me out of Williams. So the son, grandchildren, everybody picked up, they came down to LA, including also her mom who was getting a bit older.
So she lived with us and with the family nearby. So we had four generations of all nearby in LA.
And then Debbie’s mom died. She had a plot up here, so we got her body up here. I came up here and we looked at the town, and Debbie and I, we just looked at it, and I said, This feels like home.
And so I called work in LA, I had a couple of clients, I said, I’m going to go to Oregon, thinking I would really like to be able to work remotely. And they said, you’re going to Oregon, Can you work remotely?
By this time, also, we’ve been down in LA for 10 years, and the Lathrop twin said, I’ve had enough of the big city get me back to Williams. So everybody moved back. So now we’re in Josephine County.
Brian: Fabulous.
But I never heard the full story like that. That’s pretty cool.
So what do you think it is about this area that made it feel like home?
John: Well, more than anything else just has to be the people because that’s what makes the difference anywhere. Because of our nutrition business, we’re in the Chamber of Commerce. So we know a number of the business people here and we just see there’s a lot of, I don’t want to overuse the word caring, because it’s kind of, it can become to modeling. But we have a community here.
That’s the deal, is we have a community.
Even though sometimes I feel like I’m kind of not really being much of a member of the community, I know that when I get out there, then you and you know, it’s like, we do things together.
We have things and there’s just like that all around in this community. We have a community of interest that we will help each other out. Stuff like that.
I mean, that’s what it is, I guess, because when I was standing there on the hill at the cemetery, just sort of looking out across the town, I said, this feels like home.
I didn’t know the community then, you can sort of feel it. It’s kind of in the air there is a sense of community.
We’re not all each our own little silo.
Brian: Yeah.
John: But we’re also not insulated. And saying, well, this is our community, and no, you’re not welcome. It’s like you trust people until they prove themselves to be untrustworthy.
Because there are some places the attitude is you don’t trust anybody until they prove themselves to be trustworthy. Right?
It’s another way around here. You trust somebody, until they prove themselves to be untrustworthy, that’s much more American. It’s like innocent until proven guilty. Oh, my goodness, it’s all fitting together.
Brian: Cool. That’s perfect.
So one of the reasons why I started having this podcast for perfectly selfish reasons was to be able to meet more people.
John: Sure.
Brian: And be able to get out there and kind of be a source of networking.
So one of the things I tried to do with the guests that I have on is asking who are the type of people that you’re looking to meet because you’ve got a lot of different interests they all tie together within this independence concept.
Who are the type of people that you think would be great meeting in you wouldn’t mind them reaching out to you?
John: Well, I’ll tell you an example of somebody that we just had today.
I went did the Home Show in the fairgrounds, they only went around to visit all the booths and stuff. I talked to a vacuum cleaner salesman, and it just so happens we have to be in the market for a vacuum. Actually, it’s an air filter, air cleaner as well as In the market for that.
He wanted to come over here and do a demonstration tonight, I used to sell Kirby vacuum cleaners. I only sold them for a month or two over a summer. But you know, you go into the person’s house, you demonstrate what you got, you know, and so on and they buy it or not.
He came over and we’re talking, we matched, there’s so much that we match about interest in health, fishing, interested in community and in his product. And he’s just a great guy.
So we’re going to maintain communication, now usually you sell a vacuum cleaner and you’re out the door.
Brian: Yeah.
John: Right. Okay, well, now, this fellow, we’re going to maintain communication with him. And in fact, he’s up in Salem, but he likes doing what they call urban farming, where he has his own little plot, you know, in whatever size of place he has in Salem.
But I happened to have a buddy of mine, he was on my mailing list and I knew him decades ago in San Francisco, back when we were all hippies.
I didn’t say that. (laughs)
He has a website devoted to urban farming. And so I’m going to give him that website and stuff. It’s just like, we all can kind of connect with each other.
Now that COVID has forced us to get out into the internet, we can connect more broadly, which is like what happened by study group instead of just being a Josephine County study group by people in Pennsylvania, and Florida, and all that.
So the type of people that we’re looking for is people who are open, people who like looking at the world, people who like to be independent, but also recognize that they have a responsibility to others and kind of a co-responsibility to, I don’t want to say look out for each other, because it’s not really quite it. It’s, be mindful of the other person, that’s really not quite either.
It’s like you and me, we can not see each other for weeks at a time, and yet when we get together, it’s like we’ve never been apart. And I care about what happens with you and your kids and your wife. If you had some kind of situation, you could always call me, you know, this kind of thing.
Brian: Sure.
John: I may or may not be able to do anything for you. But please call and I’ll say, oh, Brian, I’m sorry. But if I could do something I it’s all right.
I know a guy because I’m a guy that knows guys.
Brian: Yes, you are.
John: So I’m looking for people who were eyes wide open and are willing to look at things. Because we get mentioned there are some people that would prefer to be dependent, would prefer, I don’t need them.
Brian: Yeah, I understand.
John: I’m not going to kick them either. Because there are people but you’re not going to be one of my buddies.
Brian: Yeah.
John: But you’re my buddy.
Which, by the way, actually what I wanted to do. And I want to tell everybody here that Brian Pombo is probably the best political analyst I have ever spoken to in my life about what is going on.
You can listen to CNN, or you can listen to Fox News, you can have all of those analysts, and they can tell you what’s going to go on and stuff. And Brian just cuts through the whole thing.
He says, Well, this is where it’s going to happen.
And six months down the road, that’s what happened.
Brian is very, very aware of all that.
Brian: Thank you. (laughs)
John: Is my check in the mail now?
Brian: Sure, you’ll get that later. (laughs)
John: I’m sorry, I admire your acuity in that area.
Brian: Thank You.
And there’s a whole bunch of things that we could cover COVID-19 we’re recording this in late April of 2021. We’ve gone through this huge portion of COVID-19. craziness, has it changed your lifestyle much at all? And if so, how?
John: No.
Actually, I’ll tell you the real reason it hasn’t is because in January of 2020 before we even knew there was a COVID-19. It was, nobody was talking about.
I got so deathly horribly sick. I was just like, and I don’t get sick. And I had this horrible, you know, I was just awful. And then it went away.
And then it came back and it was in my chest. And it was, I thought I would never get rid of it. I thought it was going to die.
But it didn’t slow me down. I mean, I was able to go and do things and stuff like that.
I just knew that I had this thing, whatever it wasn’t I weighed, my body finally managed to take care of it, and so on.
It was some months later I was talking to a lady who was going to start using some of our nutrition products and so on and she’s was down in Bakersfield, we just started talking about a little bit about COVID.
Oh, yeah, down here in Bakersfield, everybody in my family got COVID back in December, January, and so on. And we know it was because all the symptoms and all that kind of stuff.
Which made me go back to my experience in January and I said, I had all the symptoms.
So even though, you know, I didn’t get a test and somebody said, Oh, yeah, you got it or whatever. Well, at that time, there were no tests and if you had the symptoms, they said, You got COVID.
Brian: Yeah.
John: So I want to tell you, I had COVID.
Now you can tell me that I didn’t, because I didn’t have a test. I don’t care, I had COVID.
And it’s not something I wouldn’t wish on anybody. But I also know that it’s not only survivable, it is something that nutrition can help build your body back and happily, they’ve found that zinc and vitamin D and vitamin C and so on, there’s a number of things that you can do, which actually reduce the symptoms and so on.
And, of course, because of COVID, and the attention that is put on health, I turned that into attention as body immunity, you need to build your immunity.
And we just started doing zoom calls.
So we used to do meetings in the home here, and we had seven or 10 people come over and you know, they get excited about the products and so on. Couldn’t do that anymore.
So we do it on zoom. And so it’s like, everybody wants to better immunity, our business boomed. I know that there are businesses that did not do businesses that were shut down.
But our business boomed because people wanted this. And because our company is known by the CDC and USDA and government agencies that deal with nutrition and deal with immunity and deal with it. Known as being scientifically, I don’t want to say superior, but it is, well, let’s just say well respected and so on.
So we were named as an essential business, the only effect it’s had on me is wanting to reach out to more people and say, You don’t have to be dependent.
Just because they say that there’s this that’s going on, you are your own person, keep your eyes open, and it’s not we’ll get through with it, it’s, well, you don’t have to bother with it.
It’s the kind of thing that you I want to just tell people snap out of it. Just look around and see that it’s not that bad.
There’s a number of people here, we were talking with one lady that’s in the chamber of commerce, and she has relatives back in Michigan, and she goes to the roads back in Michigan, they’re all afraid to who they’re afraid, you know, and so on.
She here is that it’s more of an attitude as to whether or not going to be scared of it.
Brian: Kudos to you for but making lemons out of lemonade, shall we say, taking a situation that can very easily stop things in their tracks, but actually using it as a way to be able to help people and reach more people in a way.
For example, I’ve got my original podcast was called, Off-the-Grid Biz Podcast. And it’s all about self-reliance-based businesses and interviews I’ve done with them.
They’ve, during this period of time, most of them have seen extreme growth, but because of this newfound desire and being more independent, and you know, getting people’s nutrition right, and everything else.
So it’s great that you’ve been able to be able to prosper, while helping other people.
John: Yeah.
Brian: This is my last main question, which is if we were to get together 12 months from now, let’s say we had another podcast or what have you, and we look back over the year, what would have had to have happened between now and then for you to feel happy with your progress both professionally and personally?
John: I think I’m probably going to be happy no matter what it is.
There are some things that I can think of that would make me unhappy. Because we have some forces in the world for sure, attempting to suppress people.
But I think that if we just kind of keep doing what we’re doing, and growing in nutrition business and also the interest that people are having in, in good government, and there’s a lot of good things that are happening also in terms of drug prevention and stuff to that.
If it just continues to kind of along the way it is going to be happy the way it is because it’s going slightly increase, slightly increase, slightly increase. Something’s going to come along who’s going to bounce it up so or something’s going to come along it’s going to bounce it down and you got to fix it.
So the down part or see what made the up part happen and see what you can do to strengthen it. But it’s just sort of steady as we go.
I realized things are falling apart in general. But if the people around me if I can influence them to be more independent, or to continue to be independent, and can reach out a little more, just a little more, we’ll see what happens and what comes next.
What would make me happy a year from now, to see the sun still rise in the east and set in the west.
Brian: Fabulous. No, that’s great.
Are there any questions I did not ask that you’d like to answer?
John: Right now, there’s a whole problem that’s going on with race in this country. And I’ve studied this, and I understand critical race theory.
And I understand what they think and where it comes from and what it’s about.
I understand, for instance, mathematics is racist.
Why would mathematics be racist?
Well, I know why they want to consider mathematics racist.
I want people to understand that because otherwise, we look at this item. And I mean, there’s a number of people that I know that are like, their head kind of explodes when somebody talks about race, because it’s all a big mishmash.
But I’ve studied enough of what’s going on with it, that I can explain why mathematics is racist.
And as soon as you see that, you go, oh, and it’s like, the whole thing falls apart.
The second big Chinese puzzle, it just like falls apart, as soon as you get the key pieces out of it and stuff. I would love to talk about that sometime.
Brian: Okay, no, that’s great. We’ll the dig in deeper, if not here somewhere else and go into that.
John: Okay.
Brian: What can people do that would like to find out more about what it is you do, either in terms of your views on the Constitution, or the things that you do locally, or your nutrition business? What’s the best way for people to reach out to you?
John: We’re in the chamber of commerce, just go look for NeoLife Nutrition, in the Chamber of Commerce. And that’s us.
I will give you one little website, which is a video, not even done by NeoLife company that deals with if a person wants to know more about nutrition this is an excellent kind of beginning video.
When I do my online presentations I use this.
The point of it is that food is supposed to give us all the nutrition we need. However, we know that it doesn’t. And the reason that we know that it doesn’t is that 75% of us take supplements, so we know that it doesn’t.
Well, how do you choose which supplements?
How do you know what’s a good one?
How do you know?
So there are criteria for determining what’s a good supplement, and this website is 5, the numeral 5, key k e y, criteria, c r i t e r i a, whatever that is criteria.
5KeyCriteria.com.
It’s a 10-minute video, it just goes what the criteria are. And then if you like that, contact us through the Chamber of Commerce NeoLife.
Brian: Fabulous. Great.
We’ll have both those links available in the description.
Also, if you check that out over at Grants Pass VIP, regardless of where you’re hearing this, you’ll be able to go directly to those places that John recommended.
John: Okay, thank you.
Brian: Well John, this has been a lot of fun as always with you, and look forward to talking with you in the future. Thanks for being on Grants Pass VIP.
John: It’s been my pleasure. I loved doing this, thank you very much.
Brian’s Closing Thoughts: It was fun sitting down and kind of dissecting that process with him. I hope you’ve gotten a lot out of it too, because I know I have.
Even in looking at my own life in all the little things that I have my hands and what are the common threads?
It’s a very interesting question and I love the way that John breaks it down.
Whether you agree with him or disagree with him philosophically, you have to admit he’s an interesting person. And he’s the perfect type of person that I love to have on Grants Pass VIP.
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